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1945 girder C11
« on: January 13, 2016, 06:10:55 PM »
I have started this for the technical restoration of my 1945 C11.

The saddle on the bike has the marking 'WILBECK' on the rear.
The parts book for 1946 says the saddle should be a H, Terry & Sons Ltd model S874. Is this the same thing or a different saddle and are the brackets below the saddle for a brick shape saddle?

« Last Edit: January 13, 2016, 06:52:07 PM by Owen »
1945 C10 & C11
1953 C10
1953 C11 x 2
Still looking for an Original 350 side valve C12

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2016, 08:12:18 PM »
Owen I've never heard of Wilbeck saddles, only Wilbeck furniture. Maybe in days gone they would undertake to re-upholster a saddle and then put their logo on it. Terry's is a well known spring and saddle maker. Possibly  your valve springs and fork spring are also Terry's?

That other bracket certainly looks like the remains of a pillion seat, but not a 'Bum Pad' type, as I'm sure there are the remains of coil springs. A pillion seat would have been an optional or after-market extra.  Ron


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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 10:22:01 PM »
Spot on Ron re the pillion seat, got one on my Vello

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2016, 07:18:36 AM »
I also think that Wilbeck is the company who re-upholstered the seat. As I understand things, Dunlop were planned as the saddle suppliers in the parts lists for the early Cs but, due to the war time rubber shortage, Terry's then supplied the factory with their felt and canvas covered saddles. If you post a picture of the underside, Owen, Terry's spring arrangement is easily identified with its D shaped link for the springs at the nose end. Leighton's made a very good job of recovering mine, complete with a new Terry's plate rivetted to the back.


I was interested to see the additional bracket on your mudguard because my Real C12 had one exactly like it. I had no idea what it was for and assumed, also, that it was something left over from an after-market seat or possibly as an alternative mounting for the voltage regulator if a dual seat had been fitted sometime. As yours is the same as mine, Owen, then it seems like it was a factory part but there's nothing like it in my 1940 parts list.

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2016, 08:06:19 AM »
It would probably have been this type of after market pillion saddle which I think is 'Lycette'.  Ron

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2016, 08:39:24 AM »
Hi,

My '45 has a Terry saddle. The two bolts below in picture attached are for regulator box. Keep up the good work Owen as I'm just about to also start my restoration.

thanks

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2016, 03:57:17 PM »
Yep, that's the front bracket, Ron, so my old bike had a Lycett pillion seat on it at one time. It also had a set of nice old period pillion footrests fitted so I knew it once had a back seat of some description.

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2016, 07:10:18 PM »
Here is some more pictures of the saddle.
1945 C10 & C11
1953 C10
1953 C11 x 2
Still looking for an Original 350 side valve C12

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2016, 06:44:49 AM »
It looks like Terry metalwork from the top, Owen, but underneath the front the springs should hook onto a D shaped link so they're all sort of jointed together - that can float about a bit if my memory is still half working.

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2016, 09:05:54 AM »
More info.  Ron

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2016, 11:07:44 AM »
Hi Owen. There is a man in Eastleigh that's  re upholstered, the seat he is good he has done two for me good price. Bob.
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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2016, 11:12:17 AM »
PS I hope to see you Saturday afternoon if you are in Bob.
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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2016, 05:11:43 PM »
Hi Owen,

Has your other C bike (a 1953 maroon one?) visuable at the one photo also a saddle? If it had one it should be the same.

Michael

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2016, 01:28:17 PM »
Unfortunately the rear cover of the seat split as I was investigating the frame so may not be able to reuse the original cover.

Hi Michael,

Both my 53's have dual seats
1945 C10 & C11
1953 C10
1953 C11 x 2
Still looking for an Original 350 side valve C12

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Re: 1945 girder C11
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2016, 04:54:03 PM »
My 1953R  C11 has an original saddle, but still without cover (the small type Bantam cover is too small, I will try Armour´s - there is a slightly bigger one in his catalogue).

If you want, I will make a photo from the saddle frame. There are some details of a different shape.

Michael