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Title: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: bsac12ver on February 21, 2018, 02:33:40 pm
Hi all,
I  find lifting my C12 on the centre stand a bit of a job, I normally use the side stand but some jobs require it to be on the centre stand so I made this little ramp out of old bits lying around.
Push the bike up the ramp, you then get more clearance to bring the centre stand lower then roll the bike back and hey presto its a lot easier :)
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: camman3 on February 21, 2018, 02:46:47 pm
Good idea Richard...my mighty Beemer is easier to roll ln to centre stand than my c12 was!....with none of us getting any younger, I suppose we need ro resort to "aid devices" :'(
Your c12 is still looking good....has it still got my link in rear chain ;D?
Graham
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: bsac12ver on February 21, 2018, 02:57:28 pm
Hi Graham,
Hope all is well with you, yep the link is serving me well lol! Many thanks for that  :)
I do (if allowed to mention it ? ) have a 1980 Honda CB250RS that I bought in bits for £200 a couple of years ago. I just put it back together and it go's like stink :-)
I only got it because it is a single cylinder but has twin ports. The japs were blooming clever lol!
But can deffo say nothing beats the good ole C range :-)

Rich

Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Paul S on February 21, 2018, 08:06:23 pm
It's very strange that Cs are so awkward to get onto the stand, my ZZR is much easier than my beloved C12, your device is a good idea Rich, just a shame it's too big to carry around.

Although I have developed a technique which works well, by standing well back and lifting the back of the bike as if it was a rear wheel stand, a bit off balance because you need a long leg forward to press the stand down.

I have to say, your bike looks a real treat Rich  :)
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: jacksboy on February 21, 2018, 09:46:12 pm
Hi Rich, Yes i agree with you i have the same problem with getting my C12 on Its centre stand, so far I've jooust about managed to get it on with out it falling over though afterwards i have to sit down for a while to get my breath back, and if you did that in a crowd you would make your self look a fool, i also have a Honda CB250RS and yes they do go like the stink 5 gears 30 in first and i find that you need to get it up to 50 before you can drop it into 5th gear, also i have a Kawasaki Z250 and I've never managed to get that on its centre stand the heaviest of the three, may be getting to old, It's about time they made up some device with electric that you press a button and it gets it up for you,you could make a fortune if you did make something up to do that,  think about it ?  Regards John
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: patron on February 23, 2018, 12:34:56 pm
"It's about time they made up some device with electric that you press a button and it gets it up for you,you could make a fortune if you did make something up to do that,  think about it ?  Regards John"
--They do! Ann Summers sell them but I suspect if you used one at our age  we would probably be too weak to get the bike on the side stand, let alone the centre stand!
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: bsac12ver on February 24, 2018, 04:01:08 pm
Thanks for the feedback and kind words :) I very rarely put the old girl on the centre stand as being nearly 70 it might strain something in my body lol! So agree it cannot be of much use when out and about. I originally found a CZ side stand that I was able to fit with a bit of jiggery Pokery and it worked and was cheap :-)
Lucky for me one day at Kempton Park AJ I saw a proper C12 side stand in a bunch of junk on a stall, I said to the matey "how much for this mate?" He said gissa fiver. " so I did and was well chuffed lol!
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: jacksboy on February 27, 2018, 08:49:56 pm
The more you try and put your c12 on it's centre stand the easier it will get, i had to move my c12 in my garage to get another bike in and it went on quite easy so just keep on trying it unto you master it.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: bsac12ver on March 03, 2018, 01:19:57 pm
Been trying since 1990 mate lol! No effort now with my little ramp :)
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: jacksboy on March 03, 2018, 07:30:19 pm
Probably the next time I'll try and put it on the centre stand I'll struggle to get it on, It's to do with my age some times i fill strong other times i fill like crap warmed up,     excuse my language.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: bsac12ver on March 03, 2018, 08:19:37 pm
Totally feel the same jacksboy! Lol! Oh to be a teenager again  :)
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Owen on March 04, 2018, 08:23:06 am
I find most people tend to try and lift the bike rather than pull it towards the rear
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: jacksboy on March 04, 2018, 06:54:21 pm
I've tried lifting it on with out success the only way I've found to get it on its centre is left leg placed on the stand touching the floor and pull it on from the back and keep on pulling unto it rolls on, that's when it gets tough the pulling bit,like i said practice makes perfect.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Paul S on March 16, 2018, 11:43:50 am
This is my method of putting it onto the stand, I'm not a big bloke and have issues with my feet and lower legs, but I don't find it too difficult at all, a sort of lift and roll from behind.......ooo-err that sounds a bit rude. :-[

Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Owen on March 16, 2018, 02:43:29 pm
Same as me
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Tman on March 16, 2018, 05:26:14 pm
The accepted way of putting Indians on the centre stand is to put the sidestand down, lean the bike towards you until the back end is off the floor and the bike's balanced, then push down the centre stand until it locks forward and then let the bike return upright.
Looks and sounds dangerous, but works fine, and I've seen Duke riders doing the same trick.
 Even Geoff Capes would struggle putting 500+ lbs of American iron on this particular design of stand.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Paul S on March 16, 2018, 05:42:01 pm
Hmm, I'll try that.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Ribbet counter on March 17, 2018, 03:10:21 pm
Getting it on the stand isn't too bad; getting it off is  worse. My stand just skids forward when I try to push the bike off it. I have to put one foot in front of the stand and then push forward which places me in an off-balance position as the bike rolls forward. Anyone got a solution?
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Owen on March 17, 2018, 04:08:06 pm
Are you putting your other foot in front of the one you are blocking the centre stand so you are moving g your centre of gravity more central?
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Paul S on March 17, 2018, 04:58:41 pm
I'll make another video showing how I get it off the stand (I've thought of it to be a problem)

But you'll have to wait until the snow has cleared.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Ribbet counter on March 17, 2018, 05:45:27 pm
Thanks so much for the replies. Ive often thought there must be an easier way but I'm obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed :-\ It's me age!
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: jacksboy on March 17, 2018, 08:36:43 pm
And me I've found It's the only way that I've got it onto Its stand.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Owen on March 17, 2018, 10:17:09 pm
Trouble is we are all heading in one direction. (old)
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Paul S on March 18, 2018, 08:29:26 am
Here is how to take it off the stand (I just realised I the camera was still running when I took it off the stand)
I have never thought of this as a problem, I am 71 next month, but I have been around bikes for the last 60.

Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Ribbet counter on March 18, 2018, 11:05:50 am
Here is how to take it off the stand (I just realised I the camera was still running when I took it off the stand)
I have never thought of this as a problem, I am 71 next month, but I have been around bikes for the last 60.



Thanks so much Paul. It hadn't occured to me to put my foot on the foot of the stand instead of in front of it. Simples! Off out into the frozen tundra to the garage to try it. Lovely C12 btw. J
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Tman on March 18, 2018, 04:02:12 pm
...And if the stand doesn't have a foot, then put your right foot in front of the stand base and pull the bike forward.
Isn't this sort of stuff the absolute basics of riding a motorbike? :-\
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: timsdad on March 18, 2018, 04:57:57 pm
You're right, Mr T!  Like others on here, I've got lots of different models of bikes that all need different methods of getting on and off centre stands and I've probable owned, or just used, hundreds of different bikes in my lengthy motorcycling career.

I accept that my pre-unit Cs are harder work than my big old Laverdas that just roll onto their stands with little effort and will then hold either wheel up off the ground with just a touch of weight on the opposite end. BMWs I've owned also do the same, as do several other bikes.

However, getting the knack of rolling any bike onto its stand is something I've always managed to sort out quite quickly in ownership. As discussed on here a few months ago, the wooden ramp thingy laying on a bit of old carpet can make the C stand easier in the workshop but an added side stand is the real answer in our weak-as-piss declining years. Carting bits of wood about to use in a bike park is not my idea of fun. Lots of modern bikes only have a prop stand and they need a paddock stand for maintenance.

Usually, when a bike scoots along the floor, and needs a toe in front to get it off the stand, it's because the stops are worn so the stand goes too far forward off the vertical. It needs sorting out with blobs of weld!


Ray
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: bsac12ver on April 06, 2018, 07:26:55 pm
I only put my C12 on the centre stand for maintenance hence I made the ramp to make life easier and no risk of pulling muscles :-) I do not cart the wooden ramp around as I have a side stand. I do not want to park my bike on the centre stand when out so no risk of me doing myself a strained muscle. That is why I put the post up so I do not need clever dicks telling me how to do it !
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Paul S on April 06, 2018, 07:49:34 pm
I only put my C12 on the centre stand for maintenance hence I made the ramp to make life easier and no risk of pulling muscles :-) I do not cart the wooden ramp around as I have a side stand. I do not want to park my bike on the centre stand when out so no risk of me doing myself a strained muscle. That is why I put the post up so I do not need clever dicks telling me how to do it !

Sorry, this question often crops up, I was just trying to be helpful to anyone who hadn't got the technique quite right.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: FrAlan on April 15, 2018, 10:52:48 pm
I remember using a rudge with a rather nifty lever operated center stand, has anyone got a drawing of one
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: Pete on April 16, 2018, 08:24:54 am
I have all the Rudge drawings on disc, but not with me. I'll try to dig it out for you when next in Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: stev60 on May 01, 2018, 08:42:16 pm
I posted this some time ago, as I had a bit of a problem putting the C11 on the mainstand, C10 no problem . Just bent and welded a length of 16mm round bar and ground to fit inside the frame, tucks away as hardly noticeable , there is just room to get a boot in and with very little downward pressure the bike just jumps onto the mainstand.No pressure on back or arms or any other worn out joints :) Its probably an addition that takes away the bikes original look  but it makes life easy, and I much prefer working with it safely on the mainstand.
Steve
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: jrratcm on May 02, 2018, 01:53:07 pm
I was always told that they found the most useless person in the company and got them to write the manual.  I think BSA put them in charge of stands.
Title: Re: Lifting on to centre stand with ease
Post by: stev60 on May 03, 2018, 02:20:08 am
well he certainly did a great job with the A7 and A10, they would make a front row forward grunt